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Tech News: 2017-25[Bearbeiten]

17:44, 19. Jun. 2017 (CEST)

Proposal to improve Wikinews (Bitte übersetzen Sie dies in DEUTSCH)[Bearbeiten]

Bitte übersetzen Sie dies in DEUTSCH / Please translate this to German

News needs to be NEW. We have a constant battle with time. Often the articles get stale and we feel bad about losing an important article.

There are a couple of things which should be highlighted.

• First: Often there is only one author for an article. It is primarily due to the factor of time. We can't wait for someone to add/contribute to the article.

• Second: And this one is very general. Often, we are free, and wandering around the Wikinews project. Sometimes reading the archived articles and discussions, or sometimes, the other language Wikinews.

I often do that. I search for interesting articles on Spanish Wikinews, sometimes German, French and Russian too. Sometimes, it is really helpful. Instead of wandering here and there [on the internet] for a story amongst so many crowd-pulling articles with misleading headlines.

So, what I have to say is: When you are free (let's assume you speak two languages A and B and your home wiki is A), please go to B Wikinews and translate an article from B to A. And at the same time, translate one article from A and submit it for review on B.

Translating articles from one language to another is better than writing from scratch. And it saves time. But please note that each language Wikinews has different policy for foreign language sources.

It saves a lot of time, and I know because I have tried it. Other editors on A and/or B can help you adding something to the article, if this increases participation.

So, you see, one user, who was active only on A Wikinews is now fairly active member of B Wikinews and is also helping A Wikinews to improve the output.

When I counted, there were 33 Wikinews. I am not asking you to dream about each WIkinews write a different story and due to translations, we can have 33 articles on 33 projects. No, with the current number of reviewers, this is something I would call impossible.

But, you see, with time and experience, more and more editors can be capable to review articles. Besides, when you contribute to A and B, so, sooner or later, you can review on both the languages. About "reviewer" status, there is something I would like to add later.

So, we might not be able to publish 33 articles, but we can surely improve output of all the Wikinews. I was talking about "one user who knows A and B". Consider other editors knowing A and C; E and F; X, Y and A; Z and C and other combinations which makes a network. I have been trying to create a table of users vs languages they know with their proficiency and user rights.

I request all of the users to use the babel templates on their userpages. And if you do not mind, time zones. Users for the Original Reporting and accredited reporters, please provide geographical information if you are okay with sharing that information. Country, city or province, whatever you this is correct.

I request the admins to prepare a list of admins, reviewers and active editors.

Now, there are some very important things, like: what are the policies of various language Wikinews.

Each language has its own practices. So, it is very important that we understand each policy, and finally, create a policy so that the articles are acceptable on every Wikinews.

I am not asking you to abandon your local guidelines. You can and may continue writing articles as per those guidelines. The others may choose to translate it, and add those features so that it is globally acceptable.

There is also a probability that nobody translates it. Many factors including things in real life can affect that. But our aim is to improve all of the Wikinews together.

If we try to stick to the threshold policy, made by considering all of the policies of various projects, we can produce better news articles.

The main challenge is to know which articles to translate? So, I thought, why not create a page on any Wikinews, which contains a table. It will have article headlines and all languages in which we have Wikinews project. Add a tick, star, plus or any fixed symbol next to the headlines for which it is written.

So, when an editor visits the page, he or she can see what are the current articles (make sure you mention the date on which the event took place). See for which languages it has been translated and if there is a language he or she can translate, do it.

I would not expect a Canadian editor to know or understand Russian (for example) or a Polish to understand Arabic (for example), but it is not necessary. But speaking for general public and to make this task [understanding only the headlines] simpler, editors can use machine translation.

But this should be only done when you (editors) are free, on Wikinews and probably looking for something to write.

This will improve the content of Wikinews as well as contributors.

Editors who can speak more than one languages, please help translating [local] policies, style guide and other [important] regulations.

If you have any idea to make "looking for the translated articles in the table" better, please share with us.

Thank you very much for your time and patience.

The entire content is licensed under CC0 1.0/Public Domain.
Acagastya (Diskussion) 08:50, 24. Jun. 2017 (CEST)

Matthiasb, TheAmerikaner, Usien, Funke, 1rhb, Labant Please have a look. Also, can you please tell me the languages you speak for the matrix I am preparing? link
Acagastya (Diskussion) 11:31, 27. Jun. 2017 (CEST)

Everybody of this Wikinews is able to speak German on a native niveau. I don't know which user is able to speak other languages. If you can't speak a language well, you'll use a translator. --TheAmerikaner (Diskussion) 15:24, 27. Jun. 2017 (CEST)
So, TheAmerikaner, which languages do you speak, and what do you think of this proposal?
Acagastya (Diskussion) 08:08, 28. Jun. 2017 (CEST)
German on an native niveau. I learn in English and Spanish in school. But I can use a translator. --TheAmerikaner (Diskussion) 08:21, 28. Jun. 2017 (CEST)
TheAmerikaner No please, do not use translators because the can change the meaning drastically. If you can understand English and Spanish, you can translate news from English and Spanish Wikinews to German in your free time. And also, you can translate German articles to the other two. Users on Spanish/English Wikinews will help in copyediting and publishing the articles.
Acagastya (Diskussion) 10:50, 28. Jun. 2017 (CEST)
I can try it. --TheAmerikaner (Diskussion) 16:03, 28. Jun. 2017 (CEST)

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17:38, 26. Jun. 2017 (CEST)

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17:31, 3. Jul. 2017 (CEST)

Tech News: 2017-28[Bearbeiten]

17:07, 10. Jul. 2017 (CEST)

Tech News: 2017-29[Bearbeiten]

00:59, 18. Jul. 2017 (CEST)

Tech News: 2017-30[Bearbeiten]

17:57, 24. Jul. 2017 (CEST)

Improved search in deleted pages archive[Bearbeiten]

Hilf bitte mit, in deine Sprache zu übersetzen

During Wikimedia Hackathon 2016, the Discovery team worked on one of the items on the 2015 community wishlist, namely enabling searching the archive of deleted pages. This feature is now ready for production deployment, and will be enabled on all wikis, except Wikidata.

Right now, the feature is behind a feature flag - to use it on your wiki, please go to the Special:Undelete page, and add &fuzzy=1 to the URL, like this: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUndelete&fuzzy=1. Then search for the pages you're interested in. There should be more results than before, due to using ElasticSearch indexing (via the CirrusSearch extension).

We plan to enable this improved search by default on all wikis soon (around August 1, 2017). If you have any objections to this - please raise them with the Discovery team via email or on this announcement's discussion page. Like most Mediawiki configuration parameters, the functionality can be configured per wiki. Once the improved search becomes the default, you can still access the old mode using &fuzzy=0 in the URL, like this: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUndelete&fuzzy=0

Please note that since Special:Undelete is an admin-only feature, this search capability is also only accessible to wiki admins.

Danke! CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:40, 25. Jul. 2017 (CEST)

Accessible editing buttons[Bearbeiten]

--Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:56, 27. Jul. 2017 (CEST)

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Tech News: 2017-33[Bearbeiten]

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